Discussion:
Sorry, last Coldplay single I'll buy
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Scullyluster
2006-02-01 04:56:26 UTC
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Have faithfully bought their singles so I could compile my own B-sides
collections (I'm not pulling out a single every time just to listen to
just one or two tracks) but the TALK single has some weird copy protect
on it and I can't do it.

OK, over to the online pirates from now on who CAN provide me with
useable audio files - free of charge too.

And no complaining from the record companies - I tried it your way.
Shevek
2006-02-01 23:23:29 UTC
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On 31 Jan 2006 20:56:26 -0800, "Scullyluster"
Post by Scullyluster
Have faithfully bought their singles so I could compile my own B-sides
collections (I'm not pulling out a single every time just to listen to
just one or two tracks) but the TALK single has some weird copy protect
on it and I can't do it.
OK, over to the online pirates from now on who CAN provide me with
useable audio files - free of charge too.
And no complaining from the record companies - I tried it your way.
just rip it using Linux - a Live CD should do it - all it needs is a
CDParanoia based ripper.

Had exactly the same problem with X&Y
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Jimmy the Saint
2006-02-02 02:56:48 UTC
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you'll see record companies doing more of this in the future ... so it's not
a Coldplay thing .. really ... besides ... there are plenty of programs that
can burn it for you anyway ... there is always ways to get around the copy
protection
Post by Scullyluster
Have faithfully bought their singles so I could compile my own B-sides
collections (I'm not pulling out a single every time just to listen to
just one or two tracks) but the TALK single has some weird copy protect
on it and I can't do it.
OK, over to the online pirates from now on who CAN provide me with
useable audio files - free of charge too.
And no complaining from the record companies - I tried it your way.
Ramzy
2006-02-11 23:23:49 UTC
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Post by Scullyluster
but the TALK single has some weird copy protect
on it and I can't do it.
Umm, which country are you in? Because as far as I can tell there's no copy
protection stuff on the British singles. And it's hard to copy-protect a
7".
Moor
2006-02-12 11:01:31 UTC
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Post by Ramzy
Umm, which country are you in? Because as far as I can tell there's no copy
protection stuff on the British singles. And it's hard to copy-protect a
7".
I think UK is the only European country in wich EMI does not put that
copyprotection... maybe Britishs are more loyal than other EU people ?
CP (copy protection... and cold play too ^_^;;;) is very annoying but
this leaving aside UK is far more annoying !
And while talking about annoying things, what about single formats ?
Belgium or Holland had the 3 live cds, Australia the talk EP with
Gravity... if I don't have a program to rip it from the dvd, how could
I listen to it without a dvd player ? ^_^;;;

Cheers
Moor, annoyed
Chris Brown
2006-02-18 19:42:25 UTC
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Post by Moor
Post by Ramzy
Umm, which country are you in? Because as far as I can tell there's no copy
protection stuff on the British singles. And it's hard to copy-protect a
7".
I think UK is the only European country in wich EMI does not put that
copyprotection... maybe Britishs are more loyal than other EU people ?
It's probably just localised decision-making, although you'd think that head
office would be wondering whether there was really any point in
copy-protecting records in part of the world. I know they use it quite
extensively in Australia too.
The only copy-protected commercial EMI CDs I've spotted over here are
compilations of previously released tracks (which also seems quite
pointless); of course they also do it for the advance copies and they seem
to send copy-protected ones to libraries as well.
Post by Moor
CP (copy protection... and cold play too ^_^;;;) is very annoying but
this leaving aside UK is far more annoying !
Actually, although I think the principle of Copy Control isn't a terribly
wise one, it doesn't really bother me personally.
Post by Moor
And while talking about annoying things, what about single formats ?
Belgium or Holland had the 3 live cds, Australia the talk EP with
Gravity... if I don't have a program to rip it from the dvd, how could
I listen to it without a dvd player ? ^_^;;;
If you have the appropriate technology, it has appeared on 7" and download
too.

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Moor
2006-02-19 09:57:05 UTC
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On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:42:25 -0000, "Chris Brown"
Post by Chris Brown
It's probably just localised decision-making
I think chart rules play a big part in this decision, too
Post by Chris Brown
I know they use it quite extensively in Australia too.
Absolutely right ! Seen so many Australian cds copy-protected
Post by Chris Brown
The only copy-protected commercial EMI CDs I've spotted over here are
compilations of previously released tracks (which also seems quite
pointless); of course they also do it for the advance copies and they seem
to send copy-protected ones to libraries as well.
Sorry, are you from UK ? : )
I spotted some CP cds in London, last year. Maybe they were imports
^_^;;;
Post by Chris Brown
Actually, although I think the principle of Copy Control isn't a terribly
wise one, it doesn't really bother me personally.
I can't stand it ! : )
Maybe cos I buy every cd available that I want (see Coldplay...) and
CP breaks the relationship between the label and the buyer... you
don't have to protect yoyrself by me, who actually buys your cds
^_^;;; And I'm definitely not burning them to sell them or to give
them to friends ^_^;;;
What really annoyed me so much, last year, was the CP logo in X&Y
cover ! Why don't you put it back ? or use a sticker !
I know this is very silly, but I really couldn't stand that look ! The
cover is so great and you destroy the whole concept using a green and
big logo ? C'mon ! This is couldn't-care-less attitude at the very
worst (or best) ! And it doesn't even take too much care to think
about it ! I know you know you're gonna sell billions Coldplay cds
even without a cover or artwork or packaging, even if Chirs'd yodel 70
mins...
I know piracy is so bad and it's illegal ad it's not right towards the
band, that worked so hard to make the record. But Copy-protection
won't stop piracy.
Post by Chris Brown
If you have the appropriate technology, it has appeared on 7" and download
too.
I don't have a record player ! ^_^;;; And I don't wanna download a mp3
! Why not giving people what they are asking for (and what they would
pay for) ? ^_^;;;
Just like Gravity... what's the meaning of that 2 track cd ? So many
people was waiting for that track ! Add that Europe does not have that
strict UK chart rules... I think the Australian format cointained the
3 tracks...
Post by Chris Brown
Chris
Cheers
Moor, things that I don't understand...
Chris Brown
2006-02-19 15:26:58 UTC
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Post by Moor
On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:42:25 -0000, "Chris Brown"
Post by Chris Brown
It's probably just localised decision-making
I think chart rules play a big part in this decision, too
In the single releases, yes, but not where the copy-control is concerned.
Post by Moor
Post by Chris Brown
The only copy-protected commercial EMI CDs I've spotted over here are
compilations of previously released tracks (which also seems quite
pointless); of course they also do it for the advance copies and they seem
to send copy-protected ones to libraries as well.
Sorry, are you from UK ? : )
Yes. Possibly I should have spelt that out.
Post by Moor
I spotted some CP cds in London, last year. Maybe they were imports
^_^;;;
You may well be right - I haven't exactly been looking for them - but all
the ones I remember seeing were compilations from the likes of Talk Talk,
Jethro Tull and even the Shadows: talk about closing the stable door after
the horse has bolted.
Post by Moor
Post by Chris Brown
Actually, although I think the principle of Copy Control isn't a terribly
wise one, it doesn't really bother me personally.
I can't stand it ! : )
Maybe cos I buy every cd available that I want (see Coldplay...) and
CP breaks the relationship between the label and the buyer... you
don't have to protect yoyrself by me, who actually buys your cds
^_^;;; And I'm definitely not burning them to sell them or to give
them to friends ^_^;;;
Well that's the thing for me though. Of course this is subject to change in
the future, but at the moment I'm content to play CDs on my CD player, so it
doesn't particularly affect me that I can't copy them.
Post by Moor
What really annoyed me so much, last year, was the CP logo in X&Y
cover ! Why don't you put it back ? or use a sticker !
I think that's something that's been forced on them actually - because of
customer resistance to the software they feel obliged to make it very clear
when CDs have the protection on them, so that people can't complain that
they didn't know when they bought them.
Post by Moor
I know this is very silly, but I really couldn't stand that look ! The
cover is so great and you destroy the whole concept using a green and
big logo ? C'mon ! This is couldn't-care-less attitude at the very
worst (or best) ! And it doesn't even take too much care to think
about it ! I know you know you're gonna sell billions Coldplay cds
even without a cover or artwork or packaging, even if Chirs'd yodel 70
mins...
I have to say, on an opinionated point, that I'm not hugely fond of the X&Y
artwork anyway. Not that there's anything actually wrong with it and the
overall packaging of the vinyl version is very well presented. But I'd
hardly count it among the classics.
Post by Moor
I know piracy is so bad and it's illegal ad it's not right towards the
band, that worked so hard to make the record. But Copy-protection
won't stop piracy.
It certainly won't. And given the international nature of the Internet, it
especially won't help to put it on in Australia if there are unprotected
versions in Europe, for example.
Post by Moor
Post by Chris Brown
If you have the appropriate technology, it has appeared on 7" and download
too.
I don't have a record player ! ^_^;;;
I'd recommend them.
Post by Moor
And I don't wanna download a mp3
! Why not giving people what they are asking for (and what they would
pay for) ? ^_^;;;
Just like Gravity... what's the meaning of that 2 track cd ? So many
people was waiting for that track ! Add that Europe does not have that
strict UK chart rules... I think the Australian format cointained the
3 tracks...
Actually, there's nothing in UK chart rules that would have precluded them
from releasing 'Talk' on a three-track CD. They'd probably have charged an
extra pound for it, but it would have been permissible. My guess is that
either they wanted people who bought the CD to buy one of the other two
formats as well, or wanted people who insisted on having 'Talk' on CD to get
the album instead. Sharp practice, perhaps, but that's business for you.
To be controversial for a moment here, I don't really think 'Gravity' is all
that much of a loss anyway - I wasn't bowled over by Embrace's version and
if anything I like the Coldplay one less, not least because it's so long.
Mind you, I never got round to buying the CD single anyway.

Chris
w***@media-file.net
2006-03-02 20:36:21 UTC
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didnt the talk single only have mixes on it?
Moor
2006-03-04 13:59:16 UTC
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Post by w***@media-file.net
didnt the talk single only have mixes on it?
The 2track contained Sleeping Sun, the dvd Gravity. The 3 Deutch cds
live tracks.
Only the 12" some mixes. But I don't know if it's available yet

Cheers
Moor, THP out April 10

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